Sauron Defeated by J.R.R. Tolkien
Author:J.R.R. Tolkien [Tolkien, J.R.R.]
Language: eng
Format: epub
Published: 0100-12-31T16:00:00+00:00
An, Nor, El, all struck out immediately.
58. Gormok, Zingil: in A Ramer's name for Mars is the Elvish word
Karan ('red'); Venus was Zingil in A, though immediately
replacing another name that cannot be read.
59. In A it is Jeremy who speaks at this point, asking: 'How do you
know you've been there?' And Ramer replies: 'I don't: I have seen
the places, not been there. My body's never travelled. I have seen
the places either indirectly through other records, as you could
say you'd seen Hongkong if you'd looked at many long accurate
coloured films of it; or directly by using light. But how I know
what the places are is another matter.'
60. Saturn is not mentioned in A. B has: 'And Gyuruchill, Saturn, is
unmistakable'. Gyuruchill was changed to Shomori, and then to
old Enekol.
61. The Cronic Star (in the footnote by Guildford at this point):
Saturn (in astrology the leaden planet). Cronic is derived from
Kronos, the Greek god (father of Zeus) identified by the Romans
with Saturn; wholly distinct etymologically from chronic, derived
from Greek chronos 'time'.
62. On the 'Fluted Wave' see p. 194.
63. In A Ramer says here: 'I could tell you about Atlantis (though
that's not its name to me, nor Numenor): it is connected with that
Fluted Wave. And the Door TT [which is connected with the
Meg(alithic) >] of the Megalithic is too.' In B he speaks as in the
final text, but says again 'though that's not its name to me, nor
Numenor' - the last two words being later strongly struck out,
and Loudham's question (asked with 'a curious eagerness') 'What
is its name?' inserted (when the peculiar association of Lowdham
with Numenor had entered: see notes 38, 46). In the final text of
the Papers the emergence of the name Numenor is postponed
until Part Two (p. 231).
64. A has here: 'But I've seen my Marim [changed probably at once
to Albarim] playing one of their Albar-plays: the drama of the
Silver Tree.' In A the name En-keladim has not occurred (see note
48). With 'the Drama of the Silver Tree' cf. the citation from On
Fairy-Stories given in note 43.
65. In A Ramer says: 'I don't think that's invented: not by me
anyway. It seems to take place on this earth in some time or mode
or [?place].' In A he goes straight on from 'Atlantis' to his final
story.
In B Ramer comments on the Drama of the Silver Tree as in the
final text, as far as 'something like it really happens, and I have
seen it, far off perhaps or faintly.' Then follows:
I guess that the true types of my Enkeladim are invisible, unless
they turn their attention to you. That is, they are Eldilic in
Lewis's terms, in some lesser rank [added: or perhaps like
Tolkien's Unfallen Elves, only they were embodied].
All this was struck out, and replaced on a rider by the final text,
as far as 'entering as it were into their own works because of their
love for them.' Then follows: 'that is, that they are of a kind other
than Lewis's Eldila (even of lesser rank); and yet not the same as
Tolkien's Unfallen Elves, for those were embodied.'
The original B text continues with 'I think [Emberu >] Ellor is
one of their worlds .
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